The Keys to “Being Enough”

Pam Harper ( 00:00): How can you reclaim yourself in our complex world? Our guest shares her keys to being “enough.” Join us for episode 193 of Growth Igniters® Radio with Pam Harper and Scott Harper.

Chris Curran ( 00:20): This episode is brought to you by Business Advancement Incorporated — enabling successful leaders and companies to accelerate to their next level of success. On the web at growthignitersradio.com. And now, here's Pam and Scott.

Pam Harper ( 00:37): Thanks, Chris. I'm Pam Harper, Founding Partner and CEO of Business Advancement Incorporated. And sitting right across from me as always is my business partner and husband, Scott Harper. Hi, Scott.

Scott Harper ( 00:51): Hi, Pam. It's always great to join you again on Growth Igniters® Radio. And as always, our purpose is to spark new insights, inspiration, and immediately useful ideas to help visionary leaders to accelerate themselves and, of course, their companies, to their next level of game-changing innovation, transformation, and growth.

Scott Harper ( 01:11): Now Pam, one of the toughest issues that's facing so many leaders these days is the feeling of being enough. Not just leaders, but everybody. Being enough as the world and our lives keep changing in so many ways, and it's happening faster and faster.

Pam Harper ( 01:26): That's true. This feeling of being enough can be a real challenge, especially for high-achieving top leaders. On the one hand, the business may be going very well. However, as one CEO told me, "It's one thing to get to the top. It's quite another thing to stay there and keep winning." It's a lot of pressure.

Scott Harper ( 01:47): Yes, it is.

Pam Harper ( 01:48): And this is on top of the pressures of living life with all of its unexpected twists and turns.

Scott Harper ( 01:53): Yes. That's why we're glad to be speaking today with Charlene Wheeless. She's a renowned communications visionary, author, and speaker with more than three decades of experience in business, corporate affairs, and communications. Charlene leads her namesake communication and business advisory firm, Charlene Wheeless LLC. And she's the senior advisor for equity and justice at ATPCO Worldwide, a global advisory and advocacy communications consultancy.

Pam Harper ( 02:23): Charlene has a unique view on this issue of being enough which she shares in her new book, You Are Enough! Reclaiming Your Career and Your Life with Purpose, Passion, and Unapologetic Authenticity. I recently heard Charlene's story in her new keynote, and I was so impacted by her candor and her insights, and I believe those of you listening will be, too. So we're just going to move right into the conversation.

Pam Harper ( 02:50): Charlene, welcome to Growth Igniters® Radio.

Charlene Wheeless ( 02:54): Thank you very much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here with you all.

Pam Harper ( 02:57): And congratulations on your new book! What an accomplishment.

Charlene Wheeless ( 03:01): Thank you. I'm quite excited about it.

Pam Harper ( 03:04): So let's talk about this. What prompted you to write your book, You Are Enough?

Charlene Wheeless ( 03:10): I didn't really set out to write a book. But when people ask me to think about why I wrote the book, I really just have to say that I was tired. I was tired of turning myself inside out, turning myself into things I didn't recognize so that I could meet some standard in order to prove to someone that I was enough. I was coming off of a health crisis. And in reentering the workforce, I realized that I didn't fit into a life that I had spent more than 30 years building. And so I thought, “You know, I have a lot to say. Not just about reentering the workforce, but being in the workforce as a Black female, just someone from what you might consider a disadvantaged group.” And I wanted to share those lessons with others so that maybe their path would be just a little less difficult and maybe a little less lonely.

Scott Harper ( 04:08): Charlene, you cover a lot of ground in your book. We've both read it, and it's very personal. But there are also lessons that are applicable to a wide range of people. What would you say is the main premise of the book that anyone can take?

Charlene Wheeless ( 04:23): You're right. It covers so much. The book is part memoir, it's part how-to, and part how not to. And what I mean by that is that I think people can learn by hearing other people's stories. So in the book, I share some very personal, raw stories to help people understand that they aren't alone if they're struggling in the workplace, in life, or anywhere. And as a minority female, as we've mentioned, you're taught and told that you aren't enough. This book tells you why you are. And I would lastly say this book is also for leaders and managers to give them an up-close look at what their employees — and not just their female or minority employees — are experiencing in the workplace.

Charlene Wheeless ( 05:07): Having been in the C-suite for so long, I'm confident that most leaders don't know the extent to what their non-traditional employees are going through, nor do they know how they're contributing to it. This book really opens the door for everyone to see what's really going on, and how they can make the path easier for people.

Pam Harper ( 05:28): It's really interesting because when I started reading the book, at first I said, "Well, this is one woman's story." And then I started saying, "Well, yes, but it also is a human story too." So many of us feel this sense of, no matter how successful we are, we're never quite... Are we really enough?

Charlene Wheeless ( 05:50): That’s right.

Pam Harper ( 05:50): Maybe there's that nagging doubt. And I hear it so often from people. Was that something that you originally felt was going on in your corporate career at first? Or was this something that you had to get distance from in order to come to this book?

Charlene Wheeless ( 06:06): I have just felt this way all the time in my life. Growing up as a Black female in America and then building a career in corporate America, we're always taught or told that we are not enough. And so you find yourself in this constant proving mode. Proving that you're this, or that you're that, or you're not this, or that you're not that. And after a while Pam, it is really exhausting.

Pam Harper ( 06:38): Yes, it is.

Charlene Wheeless ( 06:39): And you look up and you don't even know who you are. And yes, you've achieved a certain level of success. But then you have to ask yourself, "At what price? What price did I pay for the success?" And once I reached that point, that's when I really started looking to live more with purpose, with passion, and unapologetically. I believe very strongly that people can succeed by being themselves. And that's really what this book is about, is helping you understand that you can succeed just by being you. That you are enough.

Pam Harper ( 07:16): And so that sense of purpose and passion sounds like it really helped you reclaim your life.

Charlene Wheeless ( 07:23): Absolutely. I've always been someone who's on a mission. I consider myself a trailblazer, busting up stereotypes and breaking down barriers. But after I had cancer, and I had a cancer journey that was by all accounts intended to last about seven months through treatment, and ended up stretching to more than three and a half years. When I looked up and I realized that I needed to recreate my world, I really became emboldened to talk about so many things that people don't talk about. And it all leads up to whether or not you fit into the workplace, or whether or not you fit into the life that has been carved out for you, or that you've carved out. And I just really had a passion to help people free themselves from all of that.

Charlene Wheeless ( 08:20): And once I realized that I didn't fit into the life that I had spent so long building, I had to really think about what was my purpose? What is my purpose for being here? And it became very clear to me that it is this book, it's the lessons in the book, and it's my ability to tell the unvarnished truth to help people become freer, to become more of themselves, and to feel comfortable within themselves.

Pam Harper ( 08:52): So as a top leader yourself in your corporate career, and now of course, how can this book help more top leaders?

Charlene Wheeless ( 09:01): Well, I think first and foremost, what I tell leaders both when I was writing the book, when I started talking about the book, and just thinking about where we are, we are in a moment where leading with humanity, compassion, and empathy has never been more important. And so I really want to encourage leaders to think about that as they're leading their organizations. There's the saying that, "If your people are at risk, your business is at risk." And that's never been more true than it is right now.

Pam Harper ( 09:36): Definitely.

Charlene Wheeless ( 09:36): And so with leaders, particularly as we're trying to dig out of the pandemic and figuring out what's the right way to work? What's the normal way to work when normality doesn't really exist anymore? The three keys to me are humanity, compassion, and empathy. Take care of your employees, and your employees will take care of your customers and will take care of your business.

Pam Harper ( 10:00): We're going to take a quick break, and when we come back, we'll dig deeper with Charlene Wheeless, author of the book You Are Enough, about some of the life lessons she shares. Stay with us.

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Pam Harper ( 11:23): Welcome back to Growth Igniters® Radio with Pam Harper — that's me — and Scott Harper. Today, Scott and I are speaking with Charlene Wheeless, author of the book You Are Enough, about the keys to feeling whole despite all the pressures we face in this complex world. Charlene, how can people find out more about you and your book?

Charlene Wheeless ( 11:43): Well, the best place to find out more about me is on my website at charlenewheeless.biz. And certainly another is by at my social media channels, primarily LinkedIn, where you can find me at Charlene Wheeless. And also on Instagram @charwheeless.

Pam Harper ( 12:01): You can also find out more information and links for this episode by going to growthignitersradio.com, episode 193, and scrolling down to resources.

Pam Harper ( 12:15): Charlene, we were talking before the break about how this book is really universal in so many ways, for leaders especially, having to do with how do you feel enough. What are some of these life lessons that you've learned? I mean, this book, as I was going through it, contained so many life lessons. So, we're just going to take a sample pack. Lets start with a life lesson that came to you from your chapter called, "Stop Telling Me You Don't See Color or Gender." Let's talk about that.

Charlene Wheeless ( 12:54): So this one really becomes even more important in the times that we're living in today. Of course, our world has been going through a reckoning with racial justice, or rather, racial injustice. And it's opened up an opportunity for us all to talk about race in the workplace. And for most of my career, I've heard people say most of my life, "Oh, I don't see color and I don't see gender. I treat everyone the same."

Pam Harper ( 13:26): I've heard that a lot.

Charlene Wheeless ( 13:28): Yes. And every time I hear that I just cringe. First off, is stop saying it. I want you to see my color and my gender. Because when you tell me that you don't see color or gender, you're telling me that you don't see me. And I want you to see me. I just don't want you to care that I'm a different color or a different gender from you.

Charlene Wheeless ( 13:52): And leaders often say, "Well, I treat everybody the same." And I think it's important for people to understand that that equity and equality are not the same things.

Pam Harper ( 14:04): That's a really good point.

Charlene Wheeless ( 14:04): You can treat everyone with equality, but that isn't equity. One of the simplest examples that I take — and it might sound a little silly, but I think it brings home the point — you can have three or four different kinds of plants. And let's say... I'm not really a plant person, but let's say one's a cactus-

Scott Harper ( 14:25): Oh, I am.

Charlene Wheeless ( 14:26): Oh, are you? Okay. So you know different plants. So let's say one's a cactus. And then, maybe you have something that requires a little bit more love and care. Well, if you water all of your plants the same, you're treating them equally. But your cactus is going to die because your cactus doesn't need that much water. And your other plant may need something else. So you may be delivering equality, but you're not delivering equity, because equity is about giving each unique plant what they need to grow and thrive.

Charlene Wheeless ( 15:04): So I really try to emphasize two things to people: one, stop telling me that you don't see color or gender, because if you do, you're telling me that you don't see me, and people want to be seen. And the other is, as a leader especially, if all you're doing is focusing on equality, you are building injustice into your systems and structures in your workplace.

Pam Harper ( 15:28): So Charlene, are you seeing that maybe because of everything that we've been going through over this last year especially, that there are starting to be mindset shifts? Because it starts with a mindset, right?

Charlene Wheeless ( 15:41): Absolutely.

Pam Harper ( 15:42): You can do things, but if your heart isn't in it, it's like you say, it's a passion as well. Are you seeing some progress there?

Charlene Wheeless ( 15:51): I am seeing progress. I think that progress is slow and it needs to be accelerated, but I am encouraged by the number of leaders who are starting to understand that they have to start with themselves. It's not enough to set up a DE&I practice — a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion practice — within your company, or to start talking about DE&I. You really have to make a personal journey yourself, first and foremost. And I'm starting to see more and more leaders understand that.

Charlene Wheeless ( 16:21): We've been talking about... And when I say we, I mean, in the workplace. We've been talking about DE&I for 30, 40 years.

Charlene Wheeless ( 16:30): If the traditional approaches worked, we wouldn't need to be talking about it anymore. So instead of doubling down on what doesn't work, let's take a step, I say, to the left and really look at equity and justice and look at our own behaviors and beliefs. And I think that's the best place to start. And I'm really thankful and really encouraged that more and more leaders are beginning to see that, and are following up what they see with action.

Pam Harper ( 17:00): They're confronting more of the biases, the unconscious biases, that shape those attitudes, those mindsets.

Charlene Wheeless ( 17:08): Right. Absolutely. And it's hard. This isn't something that's going to change overnight because it's deep rooted. And of course, unconscious bias is called that because it's unconscious. And so, we really have to work together and work with others so that we can become more self-aware when it comes to issues of equity and issues of race and social justice.

Scott Harper ( 17:31): And of course, this isn't just out of the goodness of our hearts because it's the right thing to do — although it is. It's also a real asset. Having different viewpoints, having different people, whoever they are — race, gender, cognitive style, whatever — it adds enough texture that you get really much, much better decisions and actions, whatever you're doing.

Charlene Wheeless ( 17:52): Absolutely. And what I would add to that is it's not enough to just have diversity within your workforce. You then have to make sure that those people have a voice, that they're heard, that you see and use their value, because it's not just a numbers game.

Scott Harper ( 18:12): Yes, that’s right.

Charlene Wheeless ( 18:12): And at some companies, you know, early on, it's about talent management. “Are we getting minorities in the door?” And that certainly is an important part of the equation, but it's not the whole solution.

Scott Harper ( 18:25): Right.

Charlene Wheeless ( 18:26): I have a saying that I often will recite, is that "Just because you have a seat at the table, doesn't mean that others are comfortable with you being there." And true DE&I, true equity, is when others are comfortable with you being there.

Scott Harper ( 18:45): And welcome you.

Charlene Wheeless ( 18:46): Absolutely.

Scott Harper ( 18:48): Charlene, you have another chapter, "There's No Such Thing As Work-Life Balance." When I first read that I went, "Oh, that sounds threatening." But it's not. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

Charlene Wheeless ( 19:00): Yes. So, I'd like to say that's probably my favorite chapter, but I think I could say that about all of them. But here's the thing: There is no such thing as work-life balance. There just isn't. So stop trying to get it. I think so many people spend so much time worrying about how do I balance this? How do I balance that? And again, I want to free people by letting them know there is no such thing as work-life balance. When you're killing it at work and you were doing a great job, you can be sure that your family is not so happy with you. Right?

Scott Harper ( 19:35): Okay…

Charlene Wheeless ( 19:36): And when you're doing great at home and you're cutting your kids' sandwiches into little animal shapes and all the things that you think you're supposed to be doing, chances are work isn't really happy with you either, because you're not spending enough time there. So I really try to tell people to stop trying to balance and seek harmony. But more importantly, make decisions that work for you and your family. And don't apologize for them ever.

Pam Harper ( 20:01): Okay. So you never actually just have time that's hanging around, no matter who you are.

Charlene Wheeless ( 20:07): Right.

Pam Harper ( 20:08): So how do you make those decisions? You have to become aware of what you're doing first, right?

Charlene Wheeless ( 20:14): Oh, absolutely. And it's always a give and take. But what I find frequently is that people will make a decision... Often it's women, but not always... will make a decision, and then they will beat themselves up about it. And that's the amount of time that I want people to get back. Stop second-guessing yourself and decide in any moment, what is the best thing for you? Or, what is the best thing for your family? And live through that decision. Own it. But you don't have to apologize to anybody about it.

Charlene Wheeless ( 20:48): There's a story in the book where I acknowledged that, yes, I paid my daughter not to be a Girl Scout. And if you want the details of that, you have to read the book.

Scott Harper ( 20:56): Okay.

Charlene Wheeless ( 20:58): It's all about making decisions and sticking with them because it's not one size fits all. Different things work for different families.

Pam Harper ( 21:06): It goes back to that whole point about purpose and passion.

Charlene Wheeless ( 21:09): Absolutely

Pam Harper ( 21:10): I suppose if it resonates with your purpose and passion, then it's time well spent.

Charlene Wheeless ( 21:15): Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Again, we all seem to be working towards this false ideal that I no longer even want to understand, because I think it undercuts who we are and our uniqueness, and what we bring to the table. And work-life balance falls right in there. And I also tell people, you know, we learned some good things from the pandemic. There were some good things that came out of it. One example for me is that I can get my favorite Mexican food and margaritas delivered to my door.

Pam Harper ( 21:50): Yes, that’s a good thing.

Charlene Wheeless ( 21:51): So now, why would I want to give that up? So we've become somewhat of a convenience society. And I say lean into that if that helps you free up time to do something that's more meaningful for you. For some people that may be finishing that project at work, for some people that may be taking up a new hobby. and for others, it may be spending time with your family. But do what you need to do in order to focus on what you're passionate about.

Pam Harper ( 22:21): That's a good point. Now, moving on, the hardest chapter for me to read, but so important, is your life lessons on the chapter "Cancer Changes You." That's tough to face up to.

Charlene Wheeless ( 22:35): Well, that was probably the hardest chapter for me to write. I had spent my entire adult life becoming the person that I was before I had cancer. And I had every expectation that when I no longer had cancer, that I would just pick up right where I left off. I was an achievement junkie, and I didn't see any reason why I couldn't still be an achievement junkie. But the funny thing about having cancer, and I imagine any disease, is when you're diagnosed, everybody rallies around you to help you fight for your life, to take on that fight for your life. But what no one tells you is that when you look up, that life that you spent so much time and energy fighting for may not be the life that you want, and it may not be the life that you fit into anymore.

Charlene Wheeless ( 23:28): And when I finished my treatment and I looked up, I realized that I was depressed. And I also realized, quite frankly, that I wanted to die. I just didn't want to die from cancer. And I had a complete, almost, breakdown and identity crisis. I didn't know who I was. I realized fairly quickly that cancer changed me, and so I had to change my world because the world that I had been in didn't fit anymore. And that's really when I thought about and decided to write the book because there's not a lot out there that prepares people for not fitting into a life that's the only life that they know. And I just felt such a strong pull to tell my story, to help prepare other people.

Pam Harper ( 24:22): It took tremendous courage to face that reality. How do you wrap your head around it and feel like you're enough?

Charlene Wheeless ( 24:30): I know this is going to sound a little strange, but I would say the first and most important thing that I had to do was forgive myself for getting cancer. And most people, we all know intellectually that we don't give ourselves cancer. It's not really our fault, and we know that intellectually. But there's a piece of you that says, "Could I have avoided this?" Or that asks, "Could I have avoided this if I didn't take on so much stress, if I didn't do so much of this, or so much of that?" and I just had to get to a point where I forgave myself for getting cancer. And once I did that, I could move forward and really start to think about what I needed to do next, what I was supposed to do next, and what I was meant to do. But until I freed myself from feeling responsible for my cancer, I was paralyzed.

Scott Harper ( 25:30): These lessons apply, of course, not just to cancer, but to other life-changing things. The lessons in your book are applicable to any number of tremendously difficult circumstances.

Pam Harper ( 25:43): And these are the kinds of things that so often leaders are not... They don't give themselves, let alone having other people give permission to facing. We're all human. We, all of us, have these kinds of human issues that we're dealing with, and we deal with them uniquely. And we need to — as you're sharing — we need to be able to give ourselves our own compassion and forgiveness, and then start making choices.

Charlene Wheeless ( 26:12): Yes. You're leading me into one of my favorite phrases in the book, which is, "It's choice, not chance that changes your life."

Pam Harper ( 26:24): Exactly.

Charlene Wheeless ( 26:24): And we spend a lot of time thinking about chance and about luck. And I truly believe that it is choice, not chance that changes your life.

Pam Harper ( 26:35): That was the thing that impacted me so much! So, we're going to take another quick break. And when we come back, Scott and I will speak more with Charlene Wheeless, author of You Are Enough, about immediately useful ideas for applying these life lessons from her book. Stay with us…

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Pam Harper ( 27:08): If you're interested in more episodes related to leadership mindset and self-care, listen to our episode 150, Burnout in the C-suite, Why it Happens and How to Beat It. Our guest is Tina Greenbaum, LCSW, a holistic psychotherapist and author of the book Mastery Under Pressure. We discuss the difference between healthy and unhealthy stress and the important questions to ask yourself when you're faced with extremely tough situations.

Scott Harper ( 27:38): You can listen to our conversation with Tina Greenbaum by going to growthignitersradio.com, select episode 193, and click on the link in our resources section. And so you never miss out on a new episode, join our community to receive new episode alerts. Go to growthignitersradio.com and sign up now.

Pam Harper ( 28:06): Welcome back to Growth Igniters® Radio with Pam Harper and Scott Harper. Over the last two segments, Scott and I have been speaking with Charlene Wheeless about some of the life lessons that she's distilled into her brand new book, You Are Enough. Charlene, remind us how people can find out more about you and your book.

Charlene Wheeless ( 28:25): Sure. From my website on charlenewheeless.biz. The book is also available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. And then also on social media, primarily LinkedIn, where you can find me at Charlene Wheeless.

Pam Harper ( 28:39): Okay. And you can find links and other information by going to growthignitersradio.com, episode 193 and scrolling down to resources.

Pam Harper ( 28:51): This is the part of our podcast where we talk about the immediately useful ideas, things that you who are listening can just start doing right away. And in this case, it's to help CEOs and other top leaders — and people they lead — to apply the lessons from the book, You Are Enough. So Charlene, let's talk about the first immediately useful idea.

Charlene Wheeless ( 29:15): First, I would say it’s about mindset. Leaders and CEOs really should think about the mindset that they have going into the continued leadership of their company. And what I mean by that is to recognize that your employees are traumatized and that they're dealing with a lot. The last year and a half has been tremendously difficult for employees, and your job as a leader is to provide psychological safety so that your employees can comfortably work without fear of judgment, without fear of not measuring up, because there isn't any one situation today that fits into the norm, because there is no norm anymore. So be flexible, be human, be compassionate, be empathetic. There's magic in that.

Charlene Wheeless ( 30:08): Over this last year and a half where people talk about they have Zoom fatigue, I'm probably one of the few people who doesn't have it. And the reason is that when I've talked to people on Zoom, and for those who don't have their virtual backgrounds on, but their real backgrounds, it's been a reminder to me that this is a person I'm talking to about this report or this next thing that needs to get done. And in the background, I'm able to see a slice of their life, of what matters to them. Right? Whether it's pictures of people, whether it's that random pet that Zoom bombs, or your kid that Zoom bombs, whatever it is, I've learned so much more about people. And I, as a leader, want to continue to remember that. Everyone has a story. And I want to really bring that back to the workplace, and remember that as I engage with people. And I think that when we authentically connect with people, they authentically connect with the company, with the work that they're doing, and also with being successful.

Pam Harper ( 31:26): Well, this is a good starting point.

Scott Harper ( 31:26): Charlene, what's a second immediately useful idea that somebody could take on?

Charlene Wheeless ( 31:32): So the second one, which I think builds upon the first one, is to recognize that because we've all been working so differently, that people have to ease back into whatever is going to be the new normal or the next normal. Few people can jump back into the office and start performing immediately at 100%. We're still a little frightened. We're uneasy. We don't know what everything means. As a leader, give people some grace and some room. And also give yourself some grace.

Scott Harper ( 32:10): Yes.

Charlene Wheeless ( 32:11): Don't expect so much from yourself that you end up being the opposite of a good leader. So give yourself some grace.

Pam Harper ( 32:20): That's a really good point. So Charlene, what's the third immediately useful idea?

Charlene Wheeless ( 32:27): The third one, and you'll see that I'm on a theme here today.

Scott Harper ( 32:31): Yes?

Charlene Wheeless ( 32:32): Self-care matters. Right? We often as leaders say, "Well, I'm harder on than I am on anyone else." And while that's good, the fact that you're using that as an excuse for being difficult is not so good. We learned again, through this last year and a half plus, that self-care matters. It matters to take time out to give you what you need. So as I said before, don't forget all of the good parts that came out of the pandemic, where we had to reconnect with ourselves and find out what do we enjoy doing. Whether are a leader or an employee trying to do it all, remember a dead battery can't jump a dead battery. So give yourself some time to take care of yourself.

Pam Harper ( 33:24): This is such an important message. Charlene, we really want to thank you for being our guest today on Growth Igniters® Radio and wish you all the best with your book and your keynote as it goes out into the world.

Charlene Wheeless ( 33:38): Thank you very much. It's been such a pleasure to be with you both.

Scott Harper ( 33:42): Thanks, Charlene. And thanks to you out there for listening to Growth Igniters® Radio with Pam Harper and Scott Harper. To get show notes and resource links for this week's episode, go to growthignitersradio.com, select episode 193.

Pam Harper ( 33:55): Until next time, this is Pam Harper...

Scott Harper ( 33:58): And Scott Harper...

Pam Harper ( 33:58): ... wishing you continued success and leaving you with this question to think about:

Scott Harper ( 34:03): What is one thing I can do starting today to tap into helping myself and the people I lead so that we can feel that we are being enough?

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